Do Hindu scriptures clearly prohibit a Shudra from studying the Vedas.

brahmsutra 1.3.38

brahmsutra 1.3.38

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Hindu scriptures clearly prohibit a Shudra from studying the Vedas. Let us see the commentary on Brahmasutra 1/3/38

And on account of the prohibition, in Smriti, of (the Sûdras’) hearing and studying (the Veda) and (knowing and performing) (Vedic) matters.

Adi, Shankaracharya commenting on it writes,

“The Sûdras are not qualified for that reason also that Smriti prohibits their hearing the Veda, their studying the Veda, and their understanding and performing Vedic matters. The prohibition of hearing the Veda is conveyed by the following passages:

‘The ears of him who hears the Veda are to be filled with (molten) lead and lac,’ and ‘For a Sûdra is (like) a cemetery, therefore (the Veda) is not to be read in the vicinity of a Sûdra.’ From this latter passage the prohibition of studying the Veda results at once; for how should he study Scripture in whose vicinity it is not even to be read?

There is, moreover, an express prohibition (of the Sûdras studying the Veda). ‘His tongue is to be slit if he pronounces it;his body is to be cut through if he preserves it.’ The prohibitions of hearing and studying the Veda already imply the prohibition of the knowledge and performance of Vedic matters; there are, however, express prohibitions also, such as ‘he is not to impart knowledge to the Sûdra,’ and ‘to the twice-born belong study, sacrifice, and the bestowal of gifts.’–From those Sûdras, however, who, like Vidura and ‘the religious hunter,’ acquire knowledge in consequence of the after effects of former deeds, the fruit of their knowledge cannot be with held, since knowledge in all cases brings about its fruit.

Smriti, moreover,declares that all the four castes are qualified for acquiring the knowledge of the itihâsas and purânas; compare the passage, ‘He is to teach the four castes’ (Mahâbh.).– It remains, however, a settled point that they do not possess any such qualification with regard to the Veda.”

Acharya Ramanuja commenting on the same Brahmasutra writes,
“The Sûdra is specially forbidden to hear and study the Veda and to perform the things enjoined in it. ‘For a Sûdra is like a cemetery, therefore the Veda must not be read in the vicinity of a Sûdra;

”Therefore the Sûdra is like a beast, unfit for sacrifices.’ And he who does not hear the Veda recited cannot learn it so as to understand and perform what the Veda enjoins. The prohibition of hearing thus implies the prohibition of understanding and whatever depend son it.”

So, here we have two of the most influential Hindu schholars and intellectual giants totally prohibiting the Shudras from studying the Vedas..

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Interesting, u conveniently forgot Rishi Dayanand and Arya Samaj . Arya Samaj allows shudras to study the vedas and become brahmins. Thus, your half-truths are exposed.

http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/chapterthree.htm#36

AUM says:- “As I have given this Word (i.e., the four Vedas) which is the word of salvation for all making [Here some one might say that by the word Jana, which we have translated into all mankind, only Dwijas are meant, as in the Smritis ( so-called) they alone are allowed to study the Veda but not women and Shoodraas, the other half of this verse answers this objection by adding] – Braahmans, Kshatryas, Vaishyaas, Shoodraas, women, servants, aye, even the lowest of the low, so should you all do, i.e., teach and preach the Veda and thereby acquire true knowledge, practise virtue, shun vice, and consequently being freed from all sorrow and pain, enjoy true happiness.” YAJUR VEDA 26:2.

Namaste

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Allah, quranic embryology and the soul !

Arya siddhanti: Did allah tutor mohammed saheb about the soul?

Mulla Naseeruddin:

During the lifetime of the Prophet (saws) the Jews of Medina sent their allies, the Makkan infidels [idolators], to the Prophet (saws) to ask about the soul. In reply to their questions, the following Qur’anic verse was revealed:

“They ask you [O Muhammad (saws] concerning the Ruh (Soul). Say: ‘It is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given very little.”

[Qur’an Al-Israa 17: 85]

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/Soul.htm

Sahih Muslim Book 033, Hadith Number 6390.

Sahih Muslim Book 33. Destiny
Chapter : The growth of a child in the womb of a mother and his destiny in regard to his livelihood, his deeds. both good and evil.Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) who is the most truthful (of the human beings) and his being truthful (is a fact) said: Verily your creation is on this wise. The constituents of one of you are collected for forty days in his mother’s womb in the form of blood, after which it becomes a clot of blood in another period of forty days. Then it becomes a lump of flesh and forty days later Allah sends His angel to it with instructions concerning four things, so the angel writes down his livelihood, his death, his deeds, his fortune and misfortune. By Him, besides Whom there is no god, that one amongst you acts like the people deserving Paradise until between him and Paradise there remains but the distance of a cubit, when suddenly the writing of destiny overcomes him and he begins to act like the denizens of Hell and thus enters Hell, and another one acts in the way of the denizens of Hell, until there remains between him and Hell a distance of a cubit that the writing of destiny overcomes him and then he begins to act like the people of Paradise and enters Paradise.
Scholars of Islam have concluded from this hadeeth that because the angel of life blows the soul into the fetus when it is 120 days old, abortion on very strict medical grounds is permissible only before the fetus is 4 months old. Once life has been blown into the fetus it becomes a living creature and to terminate its life is murder.
Arya Siddhanti: U r saying that the soul is blown into the fetus on the 121st day. How does the fetus grow for 120 days without the soul? If it can grow for 120 days then why can’t it grow till 250-280 days ?  Why does a person need a soul at all?
Mulla;

 Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim wrote in his scholarly work “Kitab al Ruh”,

” Ruh is an entity which differs totally from the physical body. It is a subtle, ecclesiastical, enlightened living and moving body which penetrates into the depths of the organs and flows into them like the water in the rose or the oil in the olive or the fire in the coal. As long as these organs remain able to accept the impressions of this subtle body, the ‘Ruh’ remains attached to these organs and provides them with feeling and movement. But when these organs are spoiled because of the dominance of diseased elements upon it, and they are no longer able to accept the impressions of the soul, it leaves the body and heads towards the world of the souls. “

There is some difference in the way the words ‘Ruh’ and ‘Nafs’ are used. The ‘Ruh’ is the subtle spirit, which resides in the heavens and needs a physical body to carry it on the earth. When this spirit is given a body, life begins and it is described as ‘Nafs’. The word ‘Nafs’ is used in a number of ways by the Qur’an, all of which imply the meaning of a soul with a body.

1. ‘Nafs’ meaning “Self.”

“You know what is in my self but I do not know what is in Your self”

(Qur’an Al-Ma’ida 5:116)

2. ‘Nafs’ meaning “Blood”.

“The (insect) which has flowing Nafs (blood).”

3. Nafs as a strong force in man, which can push him either towards good or evil. The concept of ‘Nafs al Ammara bis Su’ (‘Nafs’ which encourages evil) and ‘Nafs al Lawwama’ (‘Nafs’ which blames) and ‘Nafs al Mutmainna’ (‘Nafs’ which is contented) .

Two deaths and two lives

The Qur’an mentions two deaths and two lives given to us by Allah

“How can you reject faith in Allah, seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will cause you to die, then He will bring you to life, then to Him will be your return.”

(Qur’an Al-Baqarah 2: 28)

“They will say: Our Lord, twice have You given us death and twice have You given us life…”

(Qur’an Al Mumin : 11)

When the soul is first created it has no physical body and is considered to be a dead creature. In this state it is referred to as ‘Ruh’, and this is the first death as even death is created by Allah.

“He is the one who created Death and life in order that He may try which of you is best in deeds , and He is the Exalted, the Forgiving.”

(Qur’an Al Mulk 67: 2)

The Qur’an also tells us that all the souls of mankind were created before the creation of Adam and were asked to testify to the Lordship of Allah.

“When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Adam their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves: ‘Am I not your Lord?’. They said, ‘Yes, we do testify.’ This lest you should say on the Day of Judgement: ‘We were not aware of this.’ “

(Qur’an Al A’raaf :172)

The first life begins when the soul is breathed into an embryo in the womb of its mother, and now the soul is referred to as ‘Nafs’. The word Nafs is also used for ‘blood’, and so women who are in a state of post-natal bleeding are known as ‘Nufasaa’. As long as blood surges healthily through the body, there will be life in that body.

Regarding the 121st day “Allah knows best”.
Arya siddhanti: U want me to believe that the fetal heart starts beating without the soul in it. Ur embryology is a sham.
The fetal heart activity is among the earliest signs that the pregnancy is viable. The fetal heart rate can be seen by transvaginal sonogram TVS as early as 22 days after fertilization/ovulation or 5weeks 1 day after the last menstrual period. However, many times it’s not seen until 6 weeks and 0 days. By the time the embryo measures 2 mm the fetal heart rate activity should be seen and normal embryos start at under 85 beats per minute heart rate.
After reading this mumbo-jumbo my conclusion is as follows:
Allah does not know what is the soul, what is its function or properties, what is its material of construction, when does it enter the body, whether it is unborn or made, etc. Therefore the prophet and his muslims could not answer the question of the jews and the infidels [although they might have tried to find the answers from other people discreetly] .  Allah can do well by learning from AUM  or by reading the vedas, shastras , upanishads and ayurveda and clearing doubts from learned men. one should always improve on one’s shortcomings.

Vedas & Incest in Bible & Quran

Mulla naseeruddin says that there is incest in the vedas and he also says that Swami Dayanand says so:

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Swami Dayanand Saraswati, in his book Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika on the authority of Rigved 1/164/33, uses immoral language to convey the working of the natural phenomenon. You can yourself assess the cheap nature of this allegory, which promotes and glorifies incest.

The Sun or the Sun’s sphere is called Savitur (the begetter) and Prajapati (the Lord of creatures). Light and Dawn are like his two daughters. Metaphorically speaking the one which is produced from the other is like the offspring of the latter which is like the parent of the former. The Sun follows fast with his rays his daughter Dawn of a reddish complexion. Having seized her he begets upon her the Day which is like his sun. The Dawn is like the mother and the Sun like the father of this son, because the Sun with his rays, which are like hs semen, begets the Day, his son, upon her, the Dawn.The Dawn is the reddish light on the horizon in the 2 and half hours of night before morning. By the intercourse of the father and the daughter is born a son, the full light of the day. As a son is born by the intercourse of his father and mother, similarly, here (the Day is born by the intercourse of the Sun with the Dawn).

Similarly, the rain-cloud and the earth stand to each other in the relation of the father and the daughter. The earth is produced from the waters, hence, the earth is the daughter of the rain-cloud. The rain-cloud by pouring rain water upon her makes her conceive. That conception results in the production of vegetables, etc. as their offspring. This also is an allegory. This borne out by Vedic texts.

Light of day is my father- protector and begetter – the producer of all activities. There is a mutual relation between the two. This extended or venerable earth is my mother. The rain-cloud and the earth are like two armies arrayed against each other or like the awning and the floor. The father rain-cloud pours the waters upon his daughter – the earth and makes her conceive. This is merely an allegory.

Rigveda 1. 164. 33.

The same allegory is described in the following Mantra.

The sun which is called Vahni makes his daughter, the said dawn, conceive by making his semen, the rays, flow into her and begets a son – the Day. Rig III. 31. 1.

[Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika, English translation; An Introduction to the Vedas by Ghasi Ram, pp 389-391]

[Source: http://www.vjsingh.info/int5.html ]

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My dear mulla naseeruddin , where are ur brains? The text in totality at http://www.vjsingh.info/int5.html is as follows

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  • Similarly, in the so-called “Ancient Histories,” the Puranas, the Brahma Vaivarta and others which are really of a recent date, are written very false stories of a sample as one takes out a grain of rice from the boiling pot in order to see if it has been cooked or not. In it there occurs a story that Brahma, the Lord of creatures, in flesh and blood, having four faces, seized his own daughter Sarasvati for committing rape upon here. This story is false because in reality it is an allegory.The Sun or the Sun’s sphere is called Savitur (the begetter) and Prajapati (the Lord of creatures). Light and Dawn are like his two daughters. Metaphorically speaking the one which is produced from the other is like the offspring of the latter which is like the parent of the former. The Sun follows fast with his rays his daughter Dawn of a reddish complexion. Having seized her he begets upon her the Day which is like his sun. The Dawn is like the mother and the Sun like the father of this son,
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    because the Sun with his rays, which are like hs semen, begets the Day, his son, upon her, the Dawn. The Dawn is the reddish light on the horizon in the 2 and half hours of night before morning. By the intercourse of the father and the daughter is born a son, the full light of the day. As a son is born by the intercourse of his father and mother, similarly, here (the Day is born by the intercourse of the Sun with the Dawn).Similarly, the rain-cloud and the earth stand to each other in the relation of the father and the daughter. The earth is produced from the waters, hence, the earth is the daughter of the rain-cloud. The rain-cloud by pouring rain water upon her makes her conceive. That conception results in the production of vegetables, etc. as their offspring. This also is an allegory.
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    This borne out by Vedic texts. Light of day is my father- protector and begetter – the producer of all activities. There is a mutual relation between the two. This extended or venerable earth is my mother. The rain-cloud and the earth are like two armies arrayed against each other or like the awning and the floor. The father rain-cloud pours the waters upon his daughter – the earth and makes her conceive. This is merely an allegory. Rigveda i. 164. 33.The same allegory is described in the following Mantra.The sun which is called Vahni makes his daughter, the said dawn, conceive by making his semen, the rays, flow into her and begets a son – the Day. Rig III. 31. 1.
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    In spite of the fact that this most excellent allegory was explained in the Nirukta and the Brahmanas, the Brahma Vaivarta and other books have described it and other stories other wise on account of misapprehension. No one should every believe them.
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As is obvious above these are allegories since the sun and the cloud do not have a male organ and the earth lacks a female organ:

The father rain-cloud pours the waters upon his daughter – the earth and makes her conceive. This is merely an allegory. Rigveda 1. 164. 33.

The sun which is called Vahni makes his daughter, the said dawn, conceive by making his semen, the rays, flow into her and begets a son – the Day. Rig III. 31. 1.

Now let us check in ur own house i.e. Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_Adam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve#Islamic_tradition

Judaism, Islam & Christianity say that the first man was adam and the first woman was Eve/hawwa. Mind u this is not an allegory. This is Islamic history. Now adam and hawwa are married off (nikah) [there  is no one else but allah to solemnize the nikaah at that time !!???] Then they beget a lot of children [acc. to bible] and 2 names are mentioned in the quran too i.e. Qabil and Habil. Arrey naseeruddin, what were the names of the daughters acc. to quran?? What did u say? Accha , allah knows best!!]

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/154309

Again, any person, muslim or otherwise will ask questions regerding to the incestual nikaah of the sons and daughters of Adam and hawwa[eve]. Islamic science comes to the rescue. The scholars invent an argument :

More than one of the scholars have stated that Allah, may He be exalted, ordained that Adam (peace be upon him) should marry his daughters to his sons, so he would marry the female from one pregnancy to the male from another pregnancy. [u can’t prove this  from quran alone . u need other books to prop up this argument.]

And state further that this caused a problem among the sons of adam !! One wanted to kill another [al-Maa’idah 5:27]. !! How so ???

Adam it seems, received twins [boy+girl] on each pregnancy and allah instructed him to marry a boy of one pregnancy to a girl of the other [as if the problem of incest gets solved in this way!!]. Qabil wanted to marry his own twin which was not favoured by allah and adam, so he MURDERED habil [wah wah, what a plan of allah. Allah has caused the 1st murder already].

http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/6964/2/

http://www.al-islam.org/gallery/kids/books/stories/part2.htm

What does the one and only true book of the lord of the universe say regarding this matter >
In the beginning few rishis many maneeshies and a lot of mothers and fathers were born [rig 10/130/6]. AUM is omniscient , not allah.

The question which the Islamists failed to address was that even if  ADAM obtained twins they remained sons and daughters of the same mother and father. Therefore we arrive at the following STATEMENT OF FACT:

ALL JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS ARE A PRODUCT OF INCEST!

Now what will mulla naseeruddin do? He will go to his mentors [Uttar Pradesh/?]

This is what they will say:

All Praise be to Allaah.

As long as you are confident in your heart about your belief, no such insinuations will hurt you (inshaa’ Allaah). In other words, develop the hide of a rhinoceros [gainde ki khaal] and repeat ‘ALL IS WELL’  but don’t use your brains.
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/255

Namaste
[Namste means : Main tumhara manya karta hoon. I offer my respect/acceptance [not worship] unto you. Point no.100 in ‘Arya uddeshyaratnamala’ by Rishi Dayanand, Rs 4/- http://www.vedicbooks.com]

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